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              Huhtamäki Oyj (HOYFF) Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

              November 19, 2022
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              Huhtamäki Oyj (OTCPK:HOYFF) Q3 2022 Outcomes Convention Name October 21, 2022 2:30 AM ET

              Firm Members

              Kristian Tammela – VP of Investor Relations

              Charles Heaulme – President and CEO

              Thomas Geust – CFO

              Convention Name Members

              Justin Jordan – BNP Exane

              Robin Santavirta – Carnegie

              Jutta Rahikainen – SEB

              Calle Loikkanen – Danske Financial institution

              Kristian Tammela

              Good morning, women and gents, and welcome to our Presentation of Huhtamaki’s Outcomes for January-September, 2022. My identify is Kristian Tammela. I am VP of Investor Relations. We’ll kick off with a presentation by President and CEO, Charles Heaulme, and as standard, can be adopted by our CFO, Thomas Geust. On the finish, we’ll wrap up with a Q&A session.

              So please be at liberty to submit questions then.

              Let’s get began. Charles?

              Charles Heaulme

              Thanks, Kristian, and good morning to all of you. Thanks for becoming a member of us on this outcomes of quarter three launch. As standard, I wish to begin by providing you with, on the primary slide, a fast abstract of the quarter. And there could be three key messages. I imply the primary key message is volatility continues.

              Second key message is we have now a robust efficiency — a continued sturdy efficiency in Q3. And third key message is we have now some necessary features on our technique execution that we wish to replace you upon. So volatility continues as a result of no shock for any of you, the numerous inflation is persisting in all markets and throughout many of the enter prices. On this context, in keeping with the earlier quarters, we have now been efficiently mitigating this example on the exterior surroundings, which brings me to the second level, which is the sturdy monetary efficiency, sturdy within the sense of delivering internet gross sales progress as a continuation of the primary two quarters and precisely in line, we’ll see that in a minute. Second, within the sense of the EBIT margin that’s bettering. And third, within the sense of money movement, though, year-to-date, the money movement continues to be beneath strain. The money movement for the quarter has turned constructive in Q3, and we’ll look into that in a second.

              From a method execution perspective, three attention-grabbing highlights in regards to the quarter. To begin with, as you all know from our launch in September, we have now divested our operations in Russia with a achieve, from a P&L perspective of €37 million, and that has enabled a big discount of our leverage. Second level, which is necessary in our — within the execution of our sustainability technique, we have now began a really attention-grabbing partnership throughout the worth chain with key stakeholders, that means companions and from the [3:01 upwards], however as nicely with clients on an initiative that is known as Cup Collective, and that is the primary initiative of this type for assortment of paper cups at scale. That is actually necessary that we get traction into recycling, into post-consumption recycling. And it begins — this initiative is beginning now with the pilot markets being Benelux market, after which it can, after the profitable launch, develop to different markets in Europe and ultimately to the U.S.

              And it is necessary to notice that key gamers of the sector are actually hooked as much as the initiative. In order that’s actually a constructive transfer.

              A 3rd facet on the technique execution is we have now been persevering with to put money into our operations and expertise to boost our innovation in sustainable packaging resolution. And I might like to present a number of further info on this, that is on the next web page; by way of the streams the place we’re investing in expertise, and that is principally two streams. Primary, we’re investing in creating our proprietary high-precision expertise for clean molded fiber purposes. That is primary.

              The primary product of this type that we launched a 12 months in the past are the fiber lids, however extra to return. The second stream is accelerating our mono-material options for recyclable and versatile packaging. And all these investments into expertise improvement for sustainable packaging options is making a fairly substantial pipeline of sustainable merchandise coming — to return. We have now, as by way of illustration, some new merchandise developing into the market not too long ago. One which was introduced not too long ago is in North America a paper-based — recyclable paper-based ice cream packaging beneath the model ICON that has been launched in early October truly. After which new blueloop laminate tube for private care merchandise akin to toothpaste or beauty, which, as nicely, are into the vary of our new recyclable product.

              After which, as nicely, on the technological enhancement of the corporate going ahead, we imagine that it is extraordinarily necessary to be on the forefront of latest applied sciences. And that is why we have now began a partnership with Emerald Know-how Ventures on their sustainable packaging fund. And that is permitting us with a really restricted funding, however superb partnership. It permits us to have early entry to next-generation applied sciences for sustainable packaging resolution in a way more, I’d say, efficient and environment friendly approach than if we might attempt to get into every thing by ourselves in-sourcing all and do it alone. We imagine that the secret is partnering for innovation. This offers us entry to specialists. So that is what I assumed necessary to focus on to you earlier than we get now into the enterprise efficiency for the quarter three. So I am leaping to Slide 5, for those following the presentation offline, the place we current our gross sales improvement for the quarter three, displaying gross sales as much as € 1.178 million and that represents a progress — a reported progress of 31% in comparison with the identical interval of final 12 months. This 31% reported progress breaks down between comparable progress of 17%, to be famous, 23% in rising markets, then 7% from the Elif acquisition, an acquisition that we concluded on the twenty third of September, 2021 final 12 months. Then we have now a minus 1% from divestment. That is the one month of September since we have now divested our operations in Russia, after which 9%, a big constructive affect from the foreign money that accounts for 9% of progress within the 31%.

              In order that’s for the quarter three.The identical internet gross sales now for year-to-date for the three quarters. Properly, that is as nicely a 31% reported progress, which breaks down into 18% comparable progress, 7% Elif acquisition and seven% constructive foreign money affect. Our gross sales are reaching near €3.4 billion on the finish of the primary 9 months of the 12 months.

              Subsequent slide, Slide 7 of the presentation, breaking down now this gross sales progress, truly, the comparable measurement progress, so the 18% year-to-date and 17% for Q3 by enterprise phase. And you’ll see that within the quarter, the Foodservice Europe-Asia-Oceania is rising very steadily at 22%, following different quarters, quarter one, quarter two, which had been truly sturdy as nicely. So year-to-date, that is 20%.

              North America, the place the expansion has barely slowed down in quarter three at 10%, year-to-date 16%. Versatile Packaging, 20%, in keeping with the year-to-date 19% comparable progress. After which Fiber Packaging, which accounts for a robust comparable internet gross sales progress of 19% in quarter three. We’ll look into extra particulars phase by phase in a minute.

              Earlier than that, I might wish to take you thru on Web page 8, take you thru the P&L. In abstract, P&L displaying that our internet gross sales progress is changing truly very properly to our revenue — EBIT revenue — adjusted EBIT revenue with a progress of the adjusted EBIT revenue in euro by 33%.

              The margin is 8.6%, which is barely increased, principally in keeping with final 12 months, which was 8.5%. On year-to-date, we’re near 9%, 8.9%. I might wish to remind once more that there’s clearly an erosion — a dilution of the proportion — of the margin proportion linked to the pricing pass-through, that is very apparent. However there’s, as nicely, a slight dilution throughout Q3 due to the divestment of our Russian operations, which had a really stable profitability. The EPS — adjusted EPS is €0.59 for the quarter, rising 16% versus final 12 months. This 16% progress versus final 12 months is barely decrease.

              It is fairly decrease truly than the EBIT progress, and that is linked completely to the elevated monetary price which have an effect on year-to-date however notably on Q3. After which on the CapEx, we’re persevering with to take a position in keeping with what I used to be saying initially due to expertise improvement, however, as nicely, operations and capability improvement, and we’re, year-to-date, rising our CapEx by 26%.

              Then shifting on to present you some particulars. So now I am leaping to Slide 10. Particulars by phase, one slide abstract by phase, meals, beginning with the Foodservice phase, the place you see the online gross sales of 23% I used to be explaining earlier than, comparable internet gross sales progress of twenty-two%, truly.

              The demand for Foodservice packaging has continued to enhance. That is the excellent news. Not shocking, it is in keeping with what we had been saying within the earlier quarters, principally recovering the extent, pre-pandemic, of 2019, though there are variations — variations between market and product classes and the one that’s outstanding — a part of the truth that we’re nonetheless seeing progress in China, nevertheless, subdued, however the one factor that’s actually outstanding versus 2019 is definitely the very sturdy lower on shift and subsequently, decline of plastic merchandise after which the shift in direction of a paper and fiber-based merchandise. We see that extraordinarily nicely into the combo of our enterprise. And that’s, in fact, very constructive for us as a result of that is — our technique is to drive in direction of sustainable packaging options.

              And that is precisely in keeping with our technique. And we imagine that that is in keeping with what the market is definitely asking. In order that’s one thing extraordinarily necessary to know once we’re trying on the common. The typical is again to pre-pandemic degree, however with main variations, that are constructive variations, enjoying a task, as nicely, within the combine that impacts positively our profitability. You see that the profitability, the EBIT margin of Foodservice is reaching 10%, is definitely on — virtually 10% on year-to-date and is simply above 10% within the quarter, which is, within the context, fairly outstanding efficiency.

              North America, now on the next slide. North America, as I mentioned, with a progress, which is comparable progress, barely extra modest. The reported progress is pretty spectacular at 27%, however let’s be clear {that a} very massive affect comes from the foreign money help due to the USD appreciation. So comparable progress of 10%. We see a requirement out there that continues to be at a superb degree. And our progress is principally or completely truly pricing-related on this quarter, 1 / 4 the place we have now seen some challenges on the quantity aspect, however not challenges from a quantity perspective, however extra from a onetime or short-term features linked, as an example, to deliberate machine downtime, which has had an affect on the short-term quarter as nicely by way of calendar days for the enterprise after which, as nicely, some challenges in uncooked materials availability. Nothing to fret as a result of once we’re considering, are we getting into right into a recession the place we do not see any, as an instance, decline of the demand within the U.S. in our classes.

              The profitability continues to enhance. Adjusted EBIT is bettering by 17% with a constructive affect from the online gross sales progress, however, as nicely, the elevated operational effectivity. Nevertheless, as we mentioned within the earlier quarter, the gross sales combine is from a profitability, unfavorable, given that we’re rising extra — recovering in Foodservice than within the earlier two years.

              Shifting on to Versatile Packaging with a reported gross sales progress of 48%. Let’s do not forget that we have now right here a really massive affect from our Elif acquisition, clearly. So if we have a look at the comparable internet gross sales progress, it is 20%.

              We have now an adjusted EBIT rising in euro phrases by 55%. The general demand for Versatile Packaging stays good. There are, nevertheless, some variations by markets and notably in a number of markets, that are hit by hyperinflations and the place we begin seeing some stress from a shopper demand perspective. The adjusted EBIT is rising. The numerous price inflation has been largely offset by pricing actions and, as nicely, price administration with, as I mentioned earlier than, a superb contribution of the Elif acquisition into our numbers. After which lastly, Fiber Packaging, the place we see a continued stable efficiency with a reported progress of seven%, however truly, the comparable progress is nineteen%.

              It interprets right into a profitability degree near 10%. It is truly greater than 10% on a year-to-date foundation, in keeping with final 12 months. We proceed to see a superb demand. It is, in fact, not the demand that we’re seeing in 2020 for the apparent motive that you just keep in mind with the shift of the demand in dwelling consumption. However this can be a market that’s constantly rising the place the uncooked materials costs have began to plateau though it is at a really excessive degree. So we imagine that this enterprise is now extra secure and will proceed to ship accordingly.

              With none additional, I’ll hand over to Thomas now to present us extra view and particulars on the financials.

              Thomas Geust

              Thanks, Charles, and I’ll instantly flip to the primary web page right here and spotlight a number of issues that Charles already additionally talked about. So the sturdy progress on profitability is actually the theme of the quarter. You possibly can see that it is rising 33%, 29% adjusted EBIT progress year-to-date, indicating that we have now been capable of outperform the quantity progress, as was our ambition for the 12 months.

              Trying then at another gadgets right here, you’ll be able to see that the finance prices are excessive for the quarter. They’re abnormally excessive. This won’t be the run price going ahead.

              So it is going to be decrease. Nonetheless, it’s on a really excessive degree for the quarter. After which additionally, you will see that the adjusted taxes are remaining on the 25% degree. Nevertheless, in case you have a look at the reported taxes, one can find that the tax price is at 22%. And the explanation for this one is that the achieve from the Russia divestment is a tax exempt merchandise.

              The EPS rising 16% for the quarter as an final result of the elevated finance prices. After which we have now year-to-date progress of 21% in EPS. Right here, you’ll be able to see among the gadgets that are additionally, to some extent, impacting the ratios going ahead or the ratios of the quarter, particularly these the place we’re utilizing the revenue assertion to stability sheet. Stability sheet is, as you keep in mind, all the time calculated on closing price, whereas the revenue assertion is calculated on common price. Due to this fact, there is a lag on among the ratios coming by means of. You possibly can see it if you look right here on the typical price of, as an example, the USD, it is at USD1.07, clearly, as an instance, extra useful to us in comparison with earlier 12 months once we, on the identical time of the 12 months, had USD1.20, so an 11% enchancment.

              And that is clearly the largest foreign money for us, each from the truth that we have now the U.S. enterprise in it, but in addition the Elif enterprise is denominated in USD. Then the closing charges for the quarter is USD0.97. So USD stronger than the euro first time in a really, very, very very long time and let’s have a look at how this may develop going ahead. And for that reason, actually, we will see then the foreign money achieve translation achieve accelerating within the quarter versus year-to-date numbers. So most — as you’ll be able to see, many of the foreign money is trending favorably for us on a year-to-date foundation.

              Shifting to the online debt degree. Right here, we have now the principle contribution then from the Russia divestment. So right here, we will see a constructive improvement on our internet debt. Clearly, we’ll, going ahead, even be dropping the EBITDA out of the enterprise, however the ratio and deleveraging of — versus earlier quarter and versus year-end and likewise earlier 12 months’s Q3 is important. Money and money equivalents, we have now over €324 million. Unused dedicated credit score services are at €348 million after which the gearing is touchdown now at 0.73. The web maturities, no new issuances in the course of the quarter. The typical debt maturity is at 3.5, so an extended maturity in comparison with earlier 12 months, identical interval, clearly, reminding of the bond we issued in Q2. After which, if we go to the money movement, which, on a excessive degree for the quarter, continues to be not on the extent the place we want it to be. However as you noticed, we’re constructive in money movement within the quarter of roughly €5 million. And in case you have a look at the money movement improvement over the quarters, we have now been bettering them adverse €45 million within the first quarter, roughly, second quarter €20 million, after which now a constructive money movement within the quarter. So the work we’re doing with bettering on the largest merchandise, which is the excessive degree of stock is slowly however absolutely, hopefully, now paying off.

              CapEx has remained on a excessive degree. We have now €185 million year-to-date. After which perhaps to focus on how the Russia divestment is handled, the divestment is clearly not a free money movement merchandise. Nevertheless, it’s included within the €484 million reported EBITDA, after which it’s excluded on the opposite money movement adjustment merchandise. In order that’s simply as a technical clarification to how to take a look at this bridge.

              On the stability sheet, I believe I already partly talked about what’s shifting the stability sheet. It is the divestment of Russia to some extent, however to an even bigger extent, the foreign money affect. After which clearly, we have now been doing the CapEx and inflating the working working capital, which all have inflating results on the stability sheet. In any other case, right here, you may also see the lag on return on investments coming from the truth that I highlighted earlier that stability sheet gadgets are on closing price and the P&L is on common price, however then additionally we didn’t have the Elif in for the complete 12 months but final 12 months. In any other case, leap into the long-term ambitions. Within the long-term ambitions, clearly, the natural progress half is on a really excessive degree. Remembering that that is, to a big extent, pushed by value. After which the EBITDA margin is — sorry, EBIT margin will not be fairly on the extent of ambition of 10-plus-percent right here additionally, to some extent, burdened by the inflation or pricing within the high line.

              Web debt now at 2.5, so in the midst of our hall, after which reminding you of the truth that we paid the opposite installment of our dividend to start with of October, so not burdening our internet debt but within the quarter. With this one, highlighting a number of issues right here from the outlook. Outlook is unchanged. However within the brief time period, threat and uncertainties, we modified barely the primary sentence highlighting right here the decline in shopper demand, availability of uncooked supplies in addition to actions in foreign money charges.

              Kristian Tammela

              Thanks for the shows. And with that, we have now now time for some Q&A. So handing over to the operator.

              Query-and-Reply Session

              Operator

              [Operator Instructions]

              Justin Jordan

              That is Justin Jordan from BNP Exane. I’ve acquired two fast questions, if I could. Firstly, nicely finished, frankly, on the bettering 10 foundation factors margins from 8.5% final 12 months in Q3 to eight.6% this 12 months. Are you able to simply assist us perceive — I’m assuming, clearly, you’ve got achieved further value will increase in Q3 to assist enhance the margins year-over-year. However simply as you suppose ahead, whether or not it is This fall or 2023 total, are you able to simply assist us perceive, are we doubtlessly seeing moderating price inflation?

              I am simply considering there’s like polymer. And the way assured are you along with your pricing energy going ahead? Doubtlessly, may we see margins bettering from 8.6% in This fall after which all through 2023? That is my first query. After which secondly, I suppose, one for Thomas. Beforehand, in earlier quarter, you helped break down the comparable gross sales progress between quantity and value.

              I recognize we’re in very, very uncommon instances by way of the value inflation. Are you able to assist us perceive the breakdown of the 17% comparable internet gross sales progress in Q3 between quantity and value, please?

              Charles Heaulme

              Thanks, Justin, for the questions. I could begin, after which Thomas, as standard, you’ll be able to, in fact, complement. On the margin for this quarter and your query in regards to the evolution of the enter price, you are mentioning, I believe, seemingly, extra of the uncooked materials, however we want to consider the general enter prices on this context, as a result of all enter prices have been evolving fairly drastically in — by means of the complete 12 months 2022. So what’s occurring is, we see on the uncooked materials entrance, we see some uncooked supplies which can be beginning to plateau. In case you — classes which can be beginning to present some early declines, however it’s — I believe you talked about polymers already, that is the one kinds of supplies the place we see an early discount.

              However we proceed to see will increase in different supplies as nicely. So it is not a one-size-fits-all reply, a mean reply about that is — which means that the pricing pass-through is completed. After all, there’s, as nicely, a time lag by way of the pass-through of — the pricing pass-through however as nicely — or the moderating of the pricing going ahead. As you perceive, when the uncooked supplies are displaying indicators of improve or decline, then we nonetheless have to handle the worth chain inventories within the costs which can be into the system at this level. So the best way we see our margin evolving is, we have now proven very secure administration of our margins by means of the 12 months, barely rising. We’re taking actions on not solely on the pass-through, however as nicely taking actions on our structural efficiencies.

              And that’s the option to, how ought to I say, enhance our margin, as nicely, throughout this 12 months in addition to there is a crucial facet, which is the combo between the completely different classes. And as we have now underlined, the combo is barely adverse in a few of our segments, however constructive in others. So constructive in Foodservice, extra adverse in North America this 12 months. In order that’s the event that we’re seeing into — as we get into This fall and 2023. On the identical time, 2023 is, at this level, nonetheless very early to remark upon as a result of we see some early indicators of recession on the demand, which is able to affect, in fact, the enterprise, however we see, as nicely, many alternatives which can be coming structurally into our companies. I do not know if, Thomas, you’ve one thing so as to add on this primary query?

              Thomas Geust

              Perhaps simply on — sure, on the primary query, nothing so as to add, no.

              Charles Heaulme

              On the second query, the quantity versus value, so 17% comparable progress, as an instance, on this quarter, principally, it is virtually all pricing and quantity is pretty flat, total, once more, in common, so we may go phase by phase. However in common, on the firm degree, Q3 is principally flat in quantity with some pluses, however as nicely the declines that we talked about in some particular areas. 12 months-to-date, nevertheless, on the 18% comparable progress, that is primarily, as nicely, pricing, however there’s a constructive quantity progress, a low-single-digit, if I could say, on the quantity year-to-date.

              Operator

              [Operator Instructions]

              Robin Santavirta

              Robin Santavirta from Carnegie. I’ve two questions. One greater structural query and another detailed perhaps for Thomas. So first, the extra detailed, trying on the financing prices within the quarter, you mentioned it is terribly massive now in Q3. What could be kind of the nice assumption for the kind of future quarters close to time period?

              Is it — I noticed it was €17 million, I suppose, now in Q3 and €7 million final 12 months in Q3, is it someplace near the midpoint of that? Any type of assist right here could be appreciated associated to the financing prices going forward. After which the second query is an even bigger structural query to what Charles was alluding to associated to the plastic substitution to fiber, you see in Foodservice. Is that this one thing that you just see? Particularly in Foodservice, is it one thing you see, particularly in North America or Europe? And has this pattern now accelerated this 12 months?

              So these are my questions.

              Charles Heaulme

              Thanks, Robin. Thomas, you will take the primary query.?

              Thomas Geust

              Sure, I’ll take the primary one. So to begin with, at present, we’re clearly on a fairly excessive gross debt degree nonetheless, and we acquired the cash in from Russia and all of that. So we’re trying use that one. So I’d say the €17 million is, to begin with, together with additionally some onetime gadgets. estimate, I believe, could be that, on the excessive aspect, it will be quarters like €15 million, on the decrease aspect quarters like €12 million.

              Charles Heaulme

              Thanks, Thomas. So Robin, in your query about principally the general market by way of the sustainability traction from an innovation perspective, from a requirement perspective, as an instance, and I believe you requested whether or not there’s any distinction in Europe, U.S., as an example, and the affect on Foodservice. So I’d say that the general traction out there for sustainable resolution is there and is there to remain. One query is that in case you, in fact, learn all of the publications and so forth, there’s a massive query mark is that if we enter right into a recession, is that this going to halt a little bit bit for a while, the best way FMCG corporations, foodservice corporations, the worth chain goes to take a look at sustainability. At this level, we do not see it. However in fact, that is all the time a query mark. We should be agile on this.

              Now extra exactly, to your query, what are we seeing by way of plastic substitution. We have now talked quite a bit by means of the earlier quarters, the final two or three years on our intent, primary, our strategic intent, quantity two, in regards to the truth that there’s a sturdy traction, as an example, in Europe. And that traction continues. Clients are — not solely clients, customers are asking for sustainable options.

              Really, if you go to any international account and talk about with the client what are their strategic — what’s their strategic alignment and their technique and their demand to us. It is primary, sustainability, quantity two, innovation for performance and sustainability, quantity three, affordability or competitiveness. So nothing that might be shocking to you. Now the factor that’s ultimately attention-grabbing to think about is that this motion in direction of extra sustainable options is, as nicely, getting traction within the U.S. The fact of sustainability will not be all the time precisely the identical within the U.S., as an example, as a result of recycling is way more strongly developed in — for plastic options than for paper options, in case you examine to Europe, the place it is the opposite. So the truth will not be the identical.

              However the drive for sustainability is current and takes traction. One crucial instance that I wish to offer you is the polystyrene that’s extraordinarily current within the U.S. market, each in foodservice, in cups, in plates, however, as nicely, within the egg packaging, as an example, is now formally banned in one-third of the states within the U.S., one-third. And we predict that inside two years, all of the states could have been banning polystyrene options, which implies that this can be a improbable alternative that is, as nicely, why we’re very well timed with our funding within the Hammond manufacturing facility for constructing fiber capability for egg packaging as a result of all these — or most of those EPS packaging goes to transform to fiber in a short time. That is the demand from customers, and that is the demand, as nicely, now linked to the laws, as an example, within the U.S. So very sturdy.

              And the — in Europe, the laws is, as nicely, persevering with to evolve or to develop. And subsequently, this tendency is there to remain. I am placing simply, between parenthesis, a query mark, is the pace to it going to be altered in 2023 linked to the attainable recession? That is at this level, a query mark, however we do not see an indication but, however I believe we have to have the query on our desk.

              Operator

              [Operator Instructions]

              Jutta Rahikainen

              It is Jutta Rahikainen from SEB. I’d have three questions. I am going to take them one after the other. First on the gross revenue or truly the profitability. The relative margin was down from final 12 months.

              Absolute numbers are massive and delightful. May you assist us a bit like which divisions did see a gross margin lower and which maybe a rise?

              Charles Heaulme

              So the — unsure I get your query on if you say the profitability is down in comparison with final 12 months as a result of the profitability is 8.6% at EBIT margin degree. It was 8.5%, however okay, so it is not massively elevated by way of margin proportion, however it’s nonetheless a little bit bit up. Nevertheless, I take your query because it’s decrease than it was initially of the 12 months. In order that perhaps is…

              Jutta Rahikainen

              No, I used to be truly referring to the gross margin.

              Thomas Geust

              So on the gross margin degree, let me get again to you with some particulars. So in case you take your different query earlier than.

              Jutta Rahikainen

              Certain. Okay. Then comes query quantity two in your stock, so you probably did say that it seems to be higher now on the stock administration and dealing capital total. However only a recap of what’s holding your stock and dealing capital this excessive. Is it nonetheless the identical like enter prices and uncooked supplies being extremely priced?

              And what else is type of in there, simply to ensure that there’s nothing type of inaccurate or outdated, so to say, within the stock?

              Thomas Geust

              Sorry, may you repeat? So within the stock…

              Jutta Rahikainen

              All proper. Do I perhaps have a nasty line? Sure, I used to be within the stock. Like what’s holding it this excessive?

              Thomas Geust

              So the stock is pushed by two components. So to begin with, clearly, the — primarily by the inflation in price. In order that’s clearly a driver already by a comparability perspective that you just get the inflated stock in. However in all actuality, we’re not trending as nicely both on the relative phrases.

              So it means, we do have a — we do carry a better quantity of stock at present as nicely as a result of we had been, as you may recall, taking actions to offset the very tight provide chain within the early a part of the 12 months. The provision chain is now bettering. So it is attainable to return to greater than regular — I’d say, regular provide chain strategies that you’d be utilizing, so buying extra on a well timed foundation somewhat than simply in case, drive it.

              Jutta Rahikainen

              Okay. However is it truthful to say that you’ll type of kind this out? Or is there a threat that there’s something you must write down or stuff like that within the stock?

              Thomas Geust

              No. We’re fairly cautious at present on taking actions as there are some early indicators or some — one may assume that if actual recession hits, among the commodities may be happening. And subsequently, you do not wish to sit with a variety of inventory with a purpose to get a excessive affect even from stock revaluation. However write-offs, I do not actually see, no.

              Charles Heaulme

              I believe to summarize on stock, we have now been, this 12 months, managing with a balancing act with between primary, notably initially of the 12 months, sturdy uncooked materials shortage, and subsequently, we would have liked to construct inventories so as to have the ability to provide. And that has been — in case you keep in mind, in Q2, we mentioned this has — the uncooked materials shortage was notably hampering our risk to develop extra within the U.S. versus the demand. That is nonetheless the case in Q3 truly. On the identical time, in fact, we’re making an attempt to not have too excessive inventories as a result of when costs are going to return down, we do not wish to sit on a variety of stock.

              In order that’s precisely the purpose the place we’re. As Thomas mentioned, in quantity, we have now extra stock than we used to have, and we’re engaged on it, and we have now very clear indicators of already quantity decline as we begin the This fall. So we’re preoccupied as a result of it has an affect on the money movement up to now, year-to-date, very sturdy, however very clearly taking motion.

              In your first query, Thomas goes to elaborate, however principally, we have now — notably you had been saying, is there one thing we have to know by phase? It is notably North America linked to the combo and to the marginally decrease quantity in North America in the course of the quarter, as I used to be explaining initially.

              Thomas Geust

              In case you have a look at it on the reported numbers, as you — the one availability you’ve, there is a very small truly moderation on the gross margin degree. In adjusted phrases, we’re on a barely increased degree in actuality. So the affect is barely extra adverse. And that basically comes from, to begin with, what Charles mentioned across the combine in North America, however then additionally the mathematical a part of the inflation. So right here, you’ll be able to actually see the inflation half.

              Do not forget that we have now now additionally a barely softer quarter in comparison with the year-to-date numbers of the earlier quarters. And clearly, you get a better affect of that inflation within the relative margins than we have now had year-to-date when you’ve added new high line — new volumes on high of the outdated, so to talk, with no comparability charges in.

              Charles Heaulme

              And, as nicely, it will be full to say that though it is solely a partial affect at this level, we have now the — a small affect from the divestment of Russian operations, which you should have on a full scale in This fall and the next quarters, clearly, as a result of our operations in Russia had been nicely worthwhile.

              Thomas Geust

              So it was on a better degree than group common.

              Jutta Rahikainen

              After which one final query. Simply you talked about that the nice revenue — the revenue you’ve got had been pushed by value raise and inner effectivity or — sorry, did you say structural efficiencies? May you simply open up these a bit? Are we speaking about scaling, working leverage or capability utilization or one thing else, simply so we all know what you referred to?

              Charles Heaulme

              Properly, it is not a one issue. It is a mixture of — we’re engaged on all the important thing features of the P&L, and it contains, as an example, sturdy actions in what we name world-class operations, which is implementing methodologies for steady enchancment throughout all our factories on the earth. That could be a long-term journey that we began in — truly in 2020 that took traction in 2021, 2022 now. In order that’s one structural, very clear facet. It is about engaged on waste, on efficiencies on the gear and so forth.

              It is, as nicely, on the structural efficiencies by way of the construction of our segments and at group degree, the place we’re balancing between from one aspect, investing into the strategic capabilities that we are going to want for the long run, which has to do with sustainability, expertise innovation, digitalization, to present some key examples, however on the identical time, ensuring that we’re making our construction from an SG&A extra environment friendly or rising much less quickly than our gross sales, and that creates, in fact, structural effectivity.

              Operator

              [Operator Instructions]

              Calle Loikkanen

              That is Calle Loikkanen from Danske Financial institution. My query is concerning Versatile Packaging and the EBIT margin, which was barely higher in Q3 than final 12 months’s Q3, however then on the identical time, clearly decrease than what we noticed within the first half of this 12 months. So what is the type of the principle causes for this considerably weak margin?

              Charles Heaulme

              Sure, certainly, good catch. So the Versatile’s margin is — I imply, to begin with, we must always begin from the demand. Demand for Versatile Packaging is sweet total; nevertheless, as I mentioned within the presentation initially, with some variations and the variations must do with a number of key markets of the Versatile Packaging, primary India, quantity two Turkey, in order that as the quantity challenges in Q3 linked to the demand in these hyperinflation markets, this quantity has an affect on our total margin for the phase in Q3. In order that’s an accurate assumption or evaluation that you just’re making. It is mix-related in addition to in some facet, a delay in some pricing pass-through actions, notably in Turkey.

              In order that’s the place we’re. We imagine that — so we’re assured to proceed driving not solely progress, however a greater worthwhile progress going ahead, addressing these features.

              Calle Loikkanen

              Then I imply you talked about India, how did India carry out within the third quarter?

              Charles Heaulme

              Comparatively softer than we might anticipate, as an instance. It has been — Q3 has been a difficult quarter after a greater first semester, as I mentioned, notably linked to the quantity. And the quantity is linked to the market situations which have turned more difficult from a requirement perspective. That is the truth of India in Q3.

              Calle Loikkanen

              And I suppose — or that sounds maybe just like the challenges in India may proceed for a while.

              Charles Heaulme

              It’ll proceed for — let’s put it like this, we have now put in place a turnaround. I imply the scenario in 2021 — we have to restart from the inspiration, the scenario in 2021 was comparatively depressed in India linked to the implications of the COVID disaster, however, as nicely, some inner inefficiencies and challenges we had. We have now administration adjustments which have occurred. We have now a turnaround plan that has been put in place within the first a part of the 12 months. We have now a brand new Managing Director who began finish of August who’s a excessive skilled of the versatile packaging sector.

              And subsequently, if we’re real looking, sure, your assumption is appropriate, the challenges are going to remain for a while as a result of we’re not going to show it round in a single day. On the identical time, we’re very assured that we come to our strategic plan, which is to make India, not solely our progress engine in Versatile Packaging along with Turkey, by the best way, however as nicely, the place we’ll get better a way more, as an instance, profitability way more in keeping with our expectations.

              Thomas Geust

              Perhaps a common touch upon the rising markets, which actually are those impacting Flexibles. So we have now — you must keep in mind the truth that there’s three markets the place we’re working at present, that are closely hit by the recession and likewise on the foreign money aspect, if you concentrate on each Egypt, Turkey after which in India, extra on the recession aspect. So I’d perhaps spotlight that the native markets are almost certainly those that are being impacted for our companies. However keep in mind additionally that Versatile Packaging is the product in our portfolio which is touring. So we might want to search for different routes for the merchandise going ahead as nicely improved efficiency.

              Calle Loikkanen

              Sure. So principally, so Elif, I imply you talked about Turkey and Egypt and that is, in fact, Elif markets, I suppose. Is Elif nonetheless doing nicely on the export aspect or…

              Thomas Geust

              Sure. On the export aspect, we’re doing fairly nicely, sure.

              Calle Loikkanen

              Okay. So it is greater than the native markets which can be difficult.

              Thomas Geust

              Sure.

              Operator

              It seems that there are not any additional questions presently. I might like to show the convention again to the audio system for any further or closing remarks.

              Kristian Tammela

              Thanks. As there appears to be no additional questions — however in case you have any, please be at liberty to achieve out to us. And with that, we wish to thanks and need you a cheerful day. Thanks.

              Charles Heaulme

              Thanks.

              Thomas Geust

              Thanks.

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